1957 collision over pacoima

We drove home in silence. My only memory of this event was my parents speaking in hushed tones after reading/hearing a news report. I always thought it would have been kinda fun to be in his class. Terrified, I couldnt even budge. It was kind of rough being one of the few white girls going there, but the cholas were cool to me (even on patty day) because I grew up with many chicanos who protected me. Here is the link to that and other fascinating, heart-rending stories from those who were there. The auditorium doors can be heard slamming open from the concussion of the crash. It sounds like you saw what I saw the falling metallic confetti which is just about all I remember from that day (I was the same age as you). \f0\fs22 \cf2 \cb3 \expnd0\expndtw0\kerning0 Thank God she made it back safely. By fortune, all of those classrooms students were assembled on the other side of the school; had the children been there, the death toll would have been much higher. On January 31, 1957, a Douglas DC-7Boperated by Douglas Aircraft Companywas involved in a mid-air collisionwith a United States Air ForceNorthrop F-89 Scorpionand crashed into the schoolyard of Pacoima Junior High Schoollocated in Pacoima, a suburban area in the San Fernando Valleyof Los Angeles, California. It was chaos on the field of the junior high school. I ran inside my house and asked my mother what happened. I was in Mrs. Coughlins class. is using a digitally restored copy of my crash audio for a large training exercise this year. Clearly, this event had left her with what now would be called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and caused serious problems for the rest of her life. Investigators were later able to determine that the two aircraft most likely converged at a point over an area northeast of the Hansen Dam spillway. Yes, eerily so. INCLUDING MY BROTHER AND I, WE WERE IN THE AUDITORIUM, HE WAS GRADUATING AND I WAS IN B-9. Many people consider the Pacoima crash to be an important event in their lives. I am surprised at myself. One of my Facebook friends living in Dahlonega, GA posted an article about the plane crash that killed Ritchie Valens. (we might even have been in the same kindergarten class Mrs. Aldridge was the teachers name. But, there was also a lot of humanity and caring for others on that day, as well. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, L.A. Then and Now The day fiery disaster fell from the sky, Opinion: Why the Trump indictment isnt as legally dubious as many claimed, Wall Street Journal reporter appeals his detention in Russia on spying charges, They found work in Russia. Thats all there is to it. I cant begin to imagine the terror and sadness he must have been feeling. Interesting you said Wollensak.I can still see the cover of that reel to reel tape and it was 3M. The post Haiti, April 2023: Soon There Will Be No One Left to Kidnap appeared first on The Nation. I still remember seeing a great deal of plane parts scattered across the gym field. But the recording captured the sound it made as if it were yesterday. He mentioned that he used to pick me up at the same spot each day and that on that day part of the landing gear from the plane landed in the same spot. I have been to that site, and youre right, there are some very interesting and moving entries there. I was only 7 at the time, and I went to Terra Bella Elementary, next door. After wed been there for a while a man named Kurt Adams came to see me.he told me he was the navigator that ejected from the jet and the only survivor of the two planes. Of course we didnt know what all had taken place until after we got home from school as communication in those days was nothing like today. I know three students died. where my dad worked for Lockheed. God Bless you all. Thanks for commenting, Stephanie. Frequently girls hung out around that area. Its all over.. I can picture Raymond Eaker, as well. I still hear the sound of the crash, and the moments after. We mocked up an airliner fuselage out of wood and visqueen. Marilyn Richards. [1][2][3], The DC-7B, which was earmarked for delivery to Continental Airlines, took off from the Santa Monica Airport at 10:15a.m. on its first functional test flight, with a crew of four Douglas personnel aboard. Seconds later, part of the hurtling wreckage slammed onto the grounds of the Pacoima Congregational Church, killing all four Douglas crew members aboard while the major portions fell onto the adjacent playground of Pacoima Junior High School. I had Mrs. Oschatz for third grade and Mr. Marto for fourth. Our family lived at 13328 Kagel Cyn. Thanks again. About 80 students stood in the schoolyard transfixed, watching the plane hurtle toward them. I Dont know how to send it to you. I think my sister and my father knew your cousin. June 15, 2015 at 7:15 am. It made an impact on me. Im wondering if I had him as a teacher. Images in the Public Domain are carefully selected and provide illustration. It must have been the DC7 falling to earth. I thank my brother, Phil, for sending this link. Evans mom, Irene Johnson Meddy Elsner was my grandma Ruth Johnson Launs cousin .. Later, there was some kind of dedication ceremony that my grandparents flew out to from Chicago. I am 73 yrs old now and live in Tulsa,Okla. I wanted to let you know that we had our disaster drill 2 weeks ago and the recording really caught people off guard. As I travel back to that place my heart goes out, once again, to all those kids, teachers, parents, flight crews, and first responders whose lives were forever changed that day. Thats all there is to it. Many commenters on these pages were in nearby elementary schools when it happened. HE PLAYED DURING LUNCH AND WHEN EVER ANY ONE WOULD LISTEN. And when I got out my parents had moved us to Palmdale. Hi Shirley thanks for your account of that day. Its been a while since I was in the LA school system. When I first heard the audio, that phrase, We have one life to live, jumped out at me almost seemed like a premonition. Youre welcome. No images or content are primarily intended to shock and disgust. I was told to leave and I started to run home. Because we were children, and in an age when you simply go on with life, those I know of have done just that. I was also worried about them. I lived on the Easterly side of Beachy at the corner of Garber in the older houses that were there before all the tract houses were built. Someone told me at the time that the pilot never ejected, but stayed in the plane and flew in to the field on purpose to avoid nearby houses. If you mean Pacoima Junior, I saw it a few years ago and it still looks like the fine learning institution we knew. I guess the real though posthumous thanks for this post should go to my dad, who kept the tape in such good shape for so many years. Thanks for commenting. Two years after the Pacoima disaster, Valens was killed along with his fellow performers and tour mates, J.P. Big Bopper Richardson and Buddy Holly when their light plane crashed near Clear Lake, Iowa. I remember seeing the hole in the field. Today. One of the engines slide into the next set of bleached, where I would have been If I had not stopped. I would like to listen to your audio recording, but havent been able to make it work. Thank you for complimenting my youthful selfs social skills. Thanks for commenting and for the attaboy. So many readers of this blog got here through their searches about Valens as you did. Here are 22 essential L.A. spots for every tourist, Column: We cant afford another writers strike. My sister was in the elementary school right next to the gym field. Jets were taking off and landing, rattling my nerves. As horrible as it was for the badly injured and, of course, the surviving families, had the plane slammed into the auditorium, with you, your mom, my father and a few hundred other souls inside, the devastation would have been too awful to imagine. You can find the story at: http://www.cemeteryguide.com/gotw-pacoima.html. My brother graduated from Northridge State Univ and, ironically, went on to have a very successful career as a corporate pilot for over 40 years! To be honest i know it might be a burden for you but at the same time it will spread the knowledge about this plane crash even more. Actually, played might be overstating it somewhat. It made an impact on me. Thanks for writing and for your nice words about Evan. 8th and 9th grades. I wonder what ever happened to Roy Reasoner? Cmdes thanks for commenting. Thanks again for providing such a helpful service for those who need it and thank you especially for your sensitive and very specific comments to each person who has written his/her account. The Theatre of the Mind 8.7K subscribers CBS Radio Workshop "Heaven is in the Sky" 1957 Pacoima Plane Crash A documentary look at the January 31, 1957 mid-air collision of a DC-7B and a. Everyone ran to the window to see and the teacher was trying to keep us in our seats. The more people who comment on this story, the more I understand how traumatic this awful event was for the kids who witnessed it. as I watched the plane falling from the sky finally losing sight as it fell behind the mountain. I remember looking up and the sky being filled with what appeared to be confetti, debree from the crash. The most vivid memory I have of that day was of my moms worry (her husband and daughter were at Pacoima JH that day). You know, I think you just might be on to something here. They are very much appreciated. A large plane in flames was heading straight down and the impact was quite loud to us. I was in the auditorium (in the orchestra) as the soon to be graduates were rehearsing. Only one of them had a sibling at the Junior High that day, who was unharmed. How horrible was that! There are few things I can imagine that would be more frightening than a large, breaking-apart airplane hurtling toward me. After that I spent time reading some of the other comments and read what Richard Berger had posted. The teacher yelled for everyone to huddle together in the middle of the classroom. Susy M Kay says: I assume youre referring to Mark Maseks CemeteryGuide.com Stories Behind the Stones. appeared first on The Nation. But he NEVER complains or asks why me?This recording is riveting. Evan and I were in youth group together. I heard the screaming sound of the DC-7 coming in and caught a glimpse of things falling from the sky followed by a floor shaking explosion and flash of light. You reminded me that my sister, who happened to be at the P.E. The tragic memories will be in my heart forever along with the great friends who suffered with injuries or lost family members. This crash and another (DC7 and Connie midair over the Grand Canyon July 1956) put the fear of flying into me. A fine man whose life seemed way too short. diplomatic convoy attacked in Sudan amid new appeal for cease-fire, Putin pays second visit to Russian troops in occupied Ukraine, A U.S. reservist needed work. Back then, my dad moonlighted as a news broadcaster at KGIL and, I believe, one of the radio network affiliates. I hope your visit back to the homeland proves to be a great time. I remember the church yard, the Terra Bella school yard, and the playground covered with pieces of junk. We used to visit him at the hospital while he was recovering and suffering through painful skin grafts. Though you were born many years after the Pacoima tragedy and live half a world away, the depth of your concern for the victims shows there is hope for our species yet. Thanks for sharing the audio. Arleta/Pacoima will ALWAYS be my home. My brother was in the auditorium for graduation ceremonies, I was in the 4th grade on the playground for recess. 1957 Pacoima mid-air collision - Wikipedia 1957 . When he would lose control of the class, hed literally blow his top. Your comment is the first wide-angle account written here. office waitingfor permission to retrieve the jacket she had forgotten on the athletic field when the DC-7 came down on the field. The program we developed is known as START (Simple Triage And Rapid Transport). I had never seen her like that before and it scared me. The Paramedic system was new and I graduated in the 6th Paramedic class in 1975. I was chatting with a man I met in the waiting room at Holy Cross Surgery Center today. Some of the people profiled are famous, but most are not. I can only imagine moms reaction to Pams account of the crash. Yes, my classroom was one row back from the fence dividing the two schools. I really even though im born 1993 and that is like many decades after the crash, i really feel horrible after searching about it and especially after seeing the photos of the 3 victims. Its strange, you were only two years older than I, but remember much more. I WAS THERE AND WILL NEVER FORGET, I WAS IN THE AUDITORIUM. Look in your email I wrote you.RB | |. All three of the boys were considerably younger than he, but its certainly possible. The news of the crash spread like wild fire through the school even though we were miles away. I looked up into the sky towards Pacoima Jr. High. Im going through new comments now and I should have his up in a few minutes. Three died: Ronnie Brann, 13; Robert Zallan, 12; and Evan Elsner, 12. Youd think I would have remembered that little detail but no, the slate is clean. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. After just watching The Ritchie Valens movie again, I binged this site. Strange how a disaster so many years ago can bring back good memories as well as the bad. I recall recall seeing a huge The plane was heading toward Pacoima Jr. High. Ah, the good old days. Sometimes people there go from one video to another suggestion, and that will help reach out to many people who were not even searching it up in the first place. There was a huge part of the plane lying in the small church parking lot that bordered the east side, To the west, several of the elementary bungalows that skirted the playing field, mine included, were pocked with gaping holes where debris had torn through the fence and into the rooms.. A boy, his hair covered in hot oil, walked blindly along the fence. Both jets and the DC-7B were performing their individual tests at an altitude of 25,000 feet (7,600m) in clear skies over the San Fernando Valley when, at about 11:18a.m., a high-speed, near-head-on midair collision occurred. With all the illuminating and often soul-bearing comments from those who witnessed/survived the crash terrifyingly close, its easy to forget that there were many more people in the surrounding areas who saw the tragedy unfold in a completely different way. Both our families were put through an emotional wringer that day. I remember it as a warm day,bright sunny day,no clouds and you could see forever. The History Guy remembers a mid-air collision between two planes flying test flights over a California city and its connection to Ritchie Valens.This is original content based on research by The History Guy. One more way the Buchanan family was connected to that grisly day. First, when I was in the room with Lloyd Hopkins he told me we were running to get behind the handball wall. We were still in the classroom and the teacher must have been scared to death. Yes, many people were profoundly affected by this tragedy. Hi Maya It was my understanding that they were holding a graduation rehearsal in front of B-9 students. Trans-Iranian oil pipe line finished; . I can only imagine the terror and bewilderment you and your classmates must have experienced in those moments. Hello Russ, thank you for these pages. The two schools shared a common chain link fence about 10 feet high. I wrote you a note on March 9, 2013 trying to find anyone who remembers what happened because I dont. You know, you are not alone in your memory of seeing the pilot gesturing from the cockpit. I realized I was only 3 years old. Yes, Russ, Phyllis and I did see each other at the reunion. I remember that day too. I was five years Oldfield at a nearby nursery school when this happened. I remember, like so many others that have written, the pieces of metal, bolts and whatever the pieces are of an exploded plane falling all around. Thats why you hear the tape speeding up at the end. I was there and a classmate of your sister Pam. If anyone has any information on her they could share, we would be much obliged. I will let you know how it turns out and thank you again for permitting us to use it. Blessings to those who were hurt and my thoughts are with the families of those who passed away. He got doused with boiling hot oil from the plane. Dad took us to see the crash when he got home from work. When they finally let us out of school with instruction to go home, we all went over to the Jr. high school to look. to tell us that our father, William (Bill) Carr had died in a plane crash. Part of an engine crashed through the roof of the church auditorium, smashing windows and destroying that building. Im not sure, but I think my sister knew Ronnie. Yes I saw Pam and Carol. I was doing some research on this so thanks for posting the information. Thanks for writing. the Harringtons were between us. I was able to talk to her about it a couple more times. Id like to think that in his and the others final moments, a kind of calm acceptance came over them. The two-minute recording opens with Latrelles speech in progress. It seemed longer in person. On January 31, 1957, a Douglas DC-7B transport plane crashed into the school yard of Pacoima Junior High School, 9919 Laurel Canyon Boulevard, after colliding with a Northrop F-89J Scorpion jet trainer plane. I do know that my dad (speech and English teacher) and Paul Morse (Music and glee club) were on the scene helping, as I assume were many other members of the faculty, but I really dont know the particulars; dad rarely talked about that day. My name is Nick Waite and I have managed to avoid being too public about the Pacoima plane crash (because it is not a very happy place to go). Glad your dad and sister were not part of the carnage. I too was adjacent to the junior HS. I was there too. Pamela Carr Wolfson. She said she ran onto the playground and there was chaos apparently parts of the aircraft were still falling. She gave me Carols email as she lives in Simi as does my sister and she seemed like someone I would like to get to know better. Thanks for commenting.RB | |. I remember it mainly because two of my neighbor moms, Mary Jane Reid and Mrs. Harrington, were interviewed shortly after the crash. Then, the thought came to me that these guys had something to do with the crash. He recalled gazing up at his chute on the way down and seeing widening circles of blue sky. An estimated 75 more students on the school playground suffered critical and minor injuries. Mary Jo (and Kathy) Losso. I too have heard the American Legion reference. My sister and I would love to find Evans sister Cindy, but were not sure what happened to her after they moved to Oxnard. 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