Page 4 of 4 Would I be covered under the 7/70k extended warranty ? The dealer foreman said without whining sound file BMWNA wont authorize next steps. Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. What would happen if I resent the adaptations with increment wheel/. Youtube helped me tons. OBD codes. Cold Start "B" Camshaft Position Timing Over Retarded Bank 1. I can appreciate the design challenge of getting the tensioner force just right too much and it prematurely wears out the guides, chain, sprockets, bearings, etc. Heres a hot topic with a lot of BMW owners,,,,this car came in with check engine light on and engine whine and rattle noise,,,,check engine light was low oil pressure and jammed oil pressure ,,,,,I noticed the timing chain whine but the engine was also rattling,,,,I removed the valve cover to inspect the timing chain,,,,you can see the chain rail missing and jammed under the vanos unit. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). I got the security t45 at Home Depot. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the So it seems possible that performance could degrade long before the chain system has enough slack to be near catastrophic failure. Hi I have a 2013 bmw x1 with a N20 engine. Thank You very much for the reply !! https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 P054B. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 Carolina has been a BMW enthusiast since she first got her driver's license. Very good,,,are you sure you arent a engineer,,,,lol. an engineer? Should we be concerned about the timing chain anyway? BMW must be accountable for this. Posts. So the orange chain guides we see in all the photos/videos of used engines are only that way due to the oil getting into the plastic. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no I just got my annual registration and it's due for its first ever smog test AND on my way home from work the car went into limp mode while stopped at a light. The more you drive it the less you hear it but its mostly present on idle. For this reason, they've designed the VVT system. I have told the SAs and foremen to check timing chain in the past dealer oil changes, they just informally listened and looked, and said all was good. Thank You very much for your help. NOTE: This information is presented for information purposes only. F40Model Year: 2019 + Previous Generations; F20 / F21Model Year: 2012 - 2018. It started during a hot day waiting at a traffic light. E89X-13 -11-505 for the E84 and E89 . This should solve your problem, I have heard but not verified that there is a "silent" BMW extended warranty coverage here--, BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST, N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications. Basically, this systems allows the ECM to monitor the mechanical timing between the camshaft and the crankshaft. Enter the Chassis Number, As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. Left/Right and Front/Rear are determined as though you are sitting in the driver's seat. I had to replace the valve lifters. So BMW knows all along the early N20/N26 has weak chain link and weak plastic . Other Repairs Is it possible the car wont start because of genuine camshaft position sensor should be used. . 61 00 710 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) N26 engine with 85000 miles. Symptoms of a P052B diagnostic code may include: Causes for this P052B trouble code may include: The first step in the troubleshooting process for any malfunction is to research the Technical Service Bulletins (TSB) for known issues with the specific vehicle. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. Wondering how quickly I have to check tension before the tensioner is going to bleed pressure and back off. Bimmerpost Model Selection. It also, may be mounted to the cylinder head and somewhat accessible. 131808 Intermittent Exhaust variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) cost start position not reached. Please advice. Code 131501 returned. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the F10 Is it safe to go with the Bosch OEM pump or will this create issues? That why they did that 7/70 for certain models and years. All wiring lines are good. There was junk trapped I've been told in the oil passages blocking lubrication of the crank etc I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. I have a 2013 528i xdrive. Same. My mechanic said he had already replaced the Vanos sol valves and still getting the same codes. Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. 1 - timing chain (11318648732, 11317516074, 11317584084, 11 31 8 648 732, 11 31 7 516 074, 11 31 7 584 084). If a replacement is required, it is best to use a brand new factory ECM and to program the latest software. It sounded like a diesel. Typically, the ECM has not detected the desired response to a few electronic commands to the VVT and a code has been set. The internet with the huge amount of information is great but i cant seem to find a . I initially thought it might be the AC compressor so I tried a bypass belt. Unfortunate that I had to spend a lot but it is worth it at the end because I wanted to keep the car. It could be ,,,but if it was the flywheel or clutch it should do it all the time and not go away. Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Thx Andreas, that makes sense now that I think about it. There's other N20 variants but let's just talk about the EXACT same motor so people can't nitpick. you take on any vehicle. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . The car has done just over 30K Motorway driving is absolutely fine and after a long drive you cant usually hear anything. Normally due to cold start up. Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? Now im getting vanos inlet, outlet codes, along with vanos camshaft jammed for both intake and exhaust. BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > Technical Forums > N20, N26, B46, B48 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications > Simultaneous codes on both Vanos sensors Google Search Bringing the BMW community together. But youll need the long security t45 socket, a standard t45, and a torque angle wrench. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The ECM (Engine Control Module) is an extremely able computer that manages and monitors the vehicle's engine ignition system, mechanical positioning of the rotating assemblies, fuel injection, emission systems, exhaust, transmission, among countless other systems. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. As the revs increase, the noise disappears. So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. reference point is the same? The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. Does the noise go away when you depress the clutch pedal,,,,because that would put pressure on the flywheel. It goes into limp mode for a a few minutes and then seems to correct itself. The improved DME software was introduced 1- i have a 2016 n20 320 turbo. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. In the late 80s the EPA also required plant based plastics be used in the production of wiring insulation. Thanks for your instant reply. However after the job, now I'm getting these codes : P052B P054b P13C9 P13C0. After driving it hard in sport mode you will hear it once the engine has cooled down per haps the next day. as suggested by dealer over phone or something else? If were going that far, were doing the whole job regardless seems like a lot of labor to just put back together as is. All information on this site is copyright protected. There was so much plastic in the oil pan that the oil pump was sucking up pieces of plastic causing a oil pressure issue and causing more damage. Looks all good. (LogOut/ Again. These are the codes I'm getting(same as you): It turns out there is a BMW service advisory SI B12 26 14 that addresses "VANOS Faults Stored in DME (Bosch)" covering about 6 different engines and 24 models that suggests that if there are no mechanical problems, reprogramming of the DME will solve the problem. Click on the Ok Ill do that. no hesitation. Code 131401 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS exhaust cold start not controllable, Your problem could be a programming issue or it could could both vanos units as per sib bulletin 12 14 12, Hello, I replaced the oil filter, inspected the oil filter basket and the green O ring at the bottom. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. It is a total mystery (to me) as to why it works now. to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? Is it normal or the parts are defective? The orange plastic I can see does not appear damaged. Opened oil pan and checked pick up screen. Other than oil, no maintenance or service in last couple months except right rear wheel bearing last week. The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle I have it towed to the nearest repair shop, they replace the belt and oil filter housing gasket, restart the car and the idle is chopping, sputtering and then the car dies. Brought it to a second mechanic. Hi, thank you for the reply. That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. or CDA904 No message Status of trailer, 0X2e4 DME receiver AHM transmitter. Also that didnt make a difference and fault is still on outlet side. Injector harness' are extremely susceptible to drying up and cracking, due to conditions, causing an intermittent connection. Vanos solenoids/actuators I should have said. Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.51.0 or higher. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. SI B12 15 13 The head mechanics at BMW Santa Monica have no idea either. Cost for the strap $7.49. Be very careful when disconnecting any injector connector, during diagnosing. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. . Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. Hall effect, Variable reluctant sensor, etc. At least you guys got this 7/70 deal I live in the UK and BMW do not admit to anything and deny any blame. Tested both soleniods as well. I will call a bmw dealership to get info. be claimed with separate labor operations under the defect code listed above; refer to KSD2. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Just want to follow up what should I check next. Or the failure started at the two snap-on tabs that connect top slide rail to the right-side guard rail? Page 2 of 4 It can also be installed in the BMW N20, S55, N63, N63TU, B38, B48, B58, S63, and S63TU engines and fits on some MINI, Peugeot and Citroen models. Engine oil level is too low. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. One speculation is that the factory torque spec of the 2 bolts for top slide rail are incorrect, leading to the failure. Is my engine seized because of this scenario. Wasnt there a re-call on these? There is loss of power (limp mode) and engine shakes a lot during idle but, other than that, drives normal. After many iterations I decided to restart the engine without clearing the boost disable fault and amazingly the VANOS cold start faults didnt appear. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Not enough and the chain can run too loose, especially as normal wear progresses over time. I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. This step will require you to take a trip to an authorized service centre of the brand of your vehicle. Im sorry ,,,Im not to familiar with P codes,,, this P code is either camshaft sensor or crankshaft sensor fault,,,if you could get me a bmw code which would help me out a lot to figure out what is going on. 2- i donated TO YOU but didnt see it go thru should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? deinstitutionalization movement of the 1960s Fiction Writing. Could anyone possibly lead me into the right direction? Owned Program. With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? Hello again, hope you having great day!! I will have to try again and see if I can see the exhaust side. Thats very sad,,,,I wonder why only certain countries have coverage and some dont. ISTA says these errors: I have the alignment tool to lock the crankshaft, camshafts and impulse sending wheel. Yes it does not say no signal. Problem is, mine arent locked. as side note I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together . The BMW X3 28i is not the only model BMW that received the N20 in 2013. I just ran into this exact problem. Check Engine Light on with Code P05CC Home GMC Acadia Warning Lights Check Engine Light Check engine light on with code P05CC MAGICHELLBOY MEMBER 2014 GMC ACADIA 4WD AUTOMATIC 152,000 MILES Cold start A camshaft position timing performance bank 1. :dunno:. To determine if any applicable Federal, State or BMW Emissions Warranty coverage applies prior This Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) will set when the Engine Control Module ( ECM) is unable to control the actuator correctly. Code P052B relates to the camshaft position timing not being correct. Preventative maintenance suggestions? my mechanic told me there is a whining noise and I can hear it too. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. It would get to 17% and quit. Mileage 116000km. Have no timing chain issues as of yet? This article is strictly for information purposes only and the technical data and service bulletins for your specific vehicle should always take precedence. - Defect in wiring harness to VANOS solenoid valve. As you can see there's is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the . There was junk trapped Ive been told in the oil passages blocking lubrication of the crank etc. Note: The "A" camshaft is either the intake, left, or front camshaft. When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. Check fuel pressures for the high and low-pressure pumps. Code P052B BMW Description To assist with cold start conditions the camshaft timing can be adjusted to allow for optimum starting conditions. I realize the surface I can see is what runs on the tensioner surface, but Im surprised it can be polished by the plastic. It idles fine and sounds much better than before. Interested in your thoughts. still the same problem. So I contacted to two dealers and got negative response about the extended warranty in Canada. Exhaust Camshaft: Installation faulty. The last oil change was two years ago but only 2200 miles were driven. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 Random Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected. Drives: BMW F10 F15 E39 E90 E53. Potential Causes - Contaminated oil passage at VANOS solenoid valve. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! But alas, it was indeed the ^%$*&! The oil was black though. Hi Andraes, has BMW field engineers offer any explanation how this whole mechanism failed? 61 21 528 Refer to KSD2 Charging battery First time posting on here, but I've spent a lot of time on here researching this issue. Cant see any signs of metal filings in the oil either. There is a video on you tube about rotating the torque converter 90 degrees and this solves the knock. That I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together control ( VANOS ) cost position. 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