As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. Not the original miniature companies.. Join. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). Now we have to spend 40 on a family trip to the cinema. Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. Who does GW employ? There's several recasters that operate based on email, and the subreddit posts reviews of their products. And a very recent case of IP theft in Spain as you mention has brought this into the spotlight, but we havent found the time yet to properly talk about this very important matter. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. DVD prices havent gone down. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and highest inventory overall, with a bit of a cut on quality. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! Its common knowledge, but still kind of a secret. I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. Here's his speech in full to read all at once. Another army made unplayable. Sorry, I do not. The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. And we wouldnt want you to go through that. You guys do a great job on this site/blog. Not me. Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. Maybe it will work for them but I think they are pushing away many potential newcomers to the hobby which is the future. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases. You are completely right about this. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. The arguments here are simple white knighting and emotional, there is no one actually willing to discuss anything or addressing recasting. I thought he was describing forge world quality there for a second. In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. Their prices are so small that nobody in the world could copy their figurines. But imo GW are flogging its customers for all its worth while things are good. Also several Rackham miniatures. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Youre not automatically entitled to them. Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. GWs greed and extortionate prices. Their pricing model hurts the growth of the hobby, it doesnt promote it. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. Take these smaller companies making stunning models for half the price or even less, how is that possible? Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. The one kit, the producers knew was a more elite unit and that people were likely to buy one or two of at most, the other a basic infantry squad and that people were more likely to need a decent handful of. Let explain with the simple aim of making you understand it the true depth of your act. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. For the good health of our hobby. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. Because even considering the amount of money saved, it does not make up for the atrocious quality received. Things like Kodi make it seem harmless oh you clicked a few buttons and bingo it is there without any effort, so it must be harmless. A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? I have no problem doing a massive company like GW out of 40 quid. Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. The above article is, quite frankly, scaremongering. Wholesome Memes Aww Anime & Manga Video Games Memes GIFs . I say choose wisely and ALWAYS go with the origin of the art if possible. Back to the content 'Desu Korps of Kreig'. However, I bring up a different point the recasters, who are using what amounts to slave labor in the sweatshops working with toxic resins? Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. are doing this with the intention to create a well costed, and quality product. The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Ill never buy legitimate versions now with the re casts being so good from where I get them from. I do not buy such copies for moral reasons, but I will not buy original figurines. Finally, are you sure you arent a recaster? GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. I dont agree with that it is stealing, its models I would never buy anyway. You retard, that was already included in the measurement. Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. But if they got a fund together and I am sure there are enough lawyers between hobbyists that can support it pro bono. Cheers. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? Yes, this is a business for me, my only job since 25 years, the way I have to pay my bills and keep doing what I love. Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? e.g. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. Now im buying tons of big recasted models. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. Discover the magic of the Internet at Imgur. Since GW is in China, they are rocking hard, privateer press and corvus belli also understood that, so instead of making your products unavailable for some countries like this one, you should learn to work with them instead, because like it or not, they always find a way in, and as said earlier, its not from the one you think. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. Somone else will reinvent a more reasonable wheel. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. What companies are u using for recasts? But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. My issue is the price, these limited edition models ie: Eisenhorn, Sly, some of the Primaris models are just crazy expensive in comparison. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. Shall I summon the serf dedicated to worshiping the shavings from your glorious toenails, milord? They are the backbone of the operation and have done this for years to create wonderful minis as well as a great line of paints. Youre a thief. Both have exactly the same parts. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. And thats what will happen if recasts become a thing. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. They tried to grow way too fast and their main game had waaay to many units and thus huge costs to cover it. View, download or. And what about the companies (from small to big) that produce miniatures based on comics/movies/books/games/characters/ without paying for a license? Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. I completely agree with your statement. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. that is a crap attitude, and glad I dont know you and have anything to do with you. A regular in national events wherever they are, huge advocate of hobbying with good beer and friends ;). If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Prisons are filled with thieves. Do they, as a British company, utilize only products designed, produced, and bought within British home-island territory? A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for Forge World than last week at this time. Nor over on Volomir talked about some of the reasons why miniature copies need to be []. I bet you steal music and movies. My only experience with recasts were a set of transparent Tau stealth suits which, while everyone agreed were really cool, I was told not to use them. the books are out there the rules are out there, it would be like if Monopoly was suddenly no longer made every one knows the rules and can build their own board quit being GW fan boys they dont give a shit about you. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. The figure in the picture (Nash) Sold 32 uni. We are actually preparing another post about that specific issue you are mentioning because that is a topic that will also lead to a huge discussion! And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized Amazing D&D Fantasy diorama tabletop terrain. And dont forget about the spacedwarfs aka squats. Spain (for example) has been famous for doing this for a while. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. Horus Heresy Adds a New Librarian Consul Model! So if people in the third world cant pay western prices having recasts means more of a hobby presence that pushes those who value original source into an ongoing if not growing stream of business. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creating their cast presses for the units. Only we can act effectively against miniature recasting! Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. Or rather, do they produce miniatures with base polystyrene produced in highly toxic factories in China and Vietnam? It leaves you a very salty taste. But if we want to talk about greed; innefficient capital structures like the massive litigious company games workshop has become cant talk and the average human animal forced into a capitalistic system also cant be blamed. There was something about those little-colored blocks that started it all Twitter @catdaddymbg, Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as, If you buy something from a link on our site, we may earn a commision. These companies do not pay any IP rights. There wouldnt BE re-castes is the prices were reasonable in the first place. I get that its not just the model, the companies have huge overheads prior to selling a model. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. Thatll add on the time it takes to pour the resin, and remove it. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). @Greg. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. I got several figs from them, all ended up at GW legal that promptly provided me with a . GW seldom does. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_9',634,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Mix Your Paint In Seconds! The people who are buying the recasts are ruining the hobby for the simple reason they are are robbing the people who bring these sculptures to life for us, without out these creative people this hobby wont survive, so are slowly killing it, why would companies carry on if someone is going to rip them off, a lot of these companies are small industries they can not take the financial hit, they are entitled to make an honest living by buying off the pirates, you are steeling money from the people you admire, else why would you be buying the figure in the first place, no doubt the scum who buy these are the same who dont pay for their music and probably have a stash of rip off DVDs too, stop being cheap skates support the talent or loose it. The above is, again, scare-mongering. (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. But, from my experience, smaller manufactures like Andrea, and Pegaso, and Scibor, and Blacksmith, etc. Im having to search now forgeworld has stop so many horus heresy models. After evaluating each and every aspect that could lead us to look for a cheaper product, we see that getting the original product will undoubtedly make our experience with the miniature hobby much better. Rules Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig 21 2019 Games Workshop Warhammer 40k Ork Boyz $40 A recasting catalog 2/2/18 A recasting catalog 2/2/18. I have original models, but only because I discovered only recently about recast and I will definitely go this way. But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. to produce a 45 dollar marine squad it cost 5 bucks, sure. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. Greg Smith, omg, really ? #22 to #20 - manollette . They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. Ive never bought from a recaster, but I know many who do. After all, they also pay the same fees and have lots of competition. Totally agree with you, its morons like them who are putting a nail in the coffin of our hobby, I bought a recast by mistake off eBay, I thought I was buying a genuine Pegaso figure, when it arrived I knew instantly of the mistake Id made, everything that is bad in a casting was plain to see, the main thing being it should have been cast in white metal and was instead a poor resin cast instead, thankfully eBay took action and swiftly booted this pirate off. . Case in point: One miniature, slightly more detailed than a normal marine: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Games-Workshop-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Commander/107298737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1239&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1019313&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137378&wl11=online&wl12=107298737&wl13=&veh=sem Whos being the thief? I will always buy the original product when I can, but Im also going to buy high quality recasts for models that I need multiples of. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. You have entered an incorrect email address! Their miniatures are good-quality. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig Upload. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. After games workshops 150 million EXTRA prophit in 2018 Im not sure that recasting is harming the hobby in the slightest. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. then those models end up being resold to people on ebay and those are usally ones you see in bulk packages on ebay with out the boxes and sheets. They had major financial crisis, had to take crazy decisions Gone! Try again. LET THEM sink. Because without these proper companies, our industry would never evolve and improve, and we would probably go back to painting flat detail-less DIY miniature soldiers (with all my respects towards them). Just saying, this argument is fail. Exactly so. You will create reports for the business to be discussed at monthly infringement meetings. Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. 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