It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. Hodgdon CFE BLK. Im new to reloading and dont want to make a mistake. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Thats a big benefit for varmint shooters, who may put hundreds of rounds through a barrel in a single day on the varmint fields. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? CFE BLK Meters Well and Burns Clean Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to There is a possibility that the chronograph readings are not accurate. I never used CFE Blk and cannot comment on it, but I have heard great things about it. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. Classifieds 282 Gender:Male The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. I seated the 150 fmjs at the cannelure. Here is a target at fifty yards. CFE BLK is also well-suited for the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 Russian cartridge. Hodgdon H110. The 7.6239 is a bottleneck rimless case meant to be used at intermediate combat ranges (less than 500 yards). Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps Any updates on CFE BLK loads in the .500? _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); Still marred. 11grn 2.040 COL. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). Like everything else work up your loads slowly and you will find the sweet spot where your gun groups the best. Rem 7 1/2 Privacy Policy. Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post Cookie Notice My best groups with supers was with 150 gr Hornady interlocks over W296 with CCI 450 primers. We use it for everything from the 110's to 160+ grain bullets in our 10.5" barrels. var _gaq = _gaq || []; 2.185 COL Right now my feeling is that this is a powder that needs to be compressed. Everything I read suggested that more compression is better with this powder from an accuracy standpoint. If Ive missed anything or something you think I should try ask and Ill see what I can come up with as a test. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. Look at thread number 8---- 38.0 grs. 11.2 CFE BLK I use the CFE BLK in my Remington 221 Fireball with the 40gr Varmegaddon, 20.5grs. 813 fps I also bought some Lil Gun and saw negligible difference in accuracy once I worked up the best 150gr fmj load for each. After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. I've loaded the 300Whisper's multiple leade angle chamber designed for the 220-240gr projectiles since it's inception 30+ years ago & to date. By 150 grains they are neck and neck. I use W296 only for supers. FYI I have since found the 125gr FMJ #30196 is FAR better for cheap supers in the caliber, and loaded over 20gr of CFE BLK it is decent, but CFE BLK is better suited as a subsonic powder (or with the 110gr v-max), H110/W296 is FAR better for most supers, 18gr under that 125gr bullet crimped to the cannelure is accurate and IIRC at least 100FPS These subsonic 300 Blackout loads require 30 caliber bullets in the 190-250 grain range which can get real expensive real quick! I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. When I talked to Hodgdon the guy thought the velocity spread would be on the smaller side because of the 7 barrel. The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. 2500fps out of a 14.5" barrel. Compressed CFE BLK 110 gr. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. I would of expected more velocity in 10 of barrel. 300BO was and still is the only rifle cartridge I've ever reloaded. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? Its a very dense powder. H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. While testing was limited, during the same range session I tried ladder loads with all 3 powders with the same brass, bullets and primers. Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. of H-110 for the 500 gr.JSP don't think so. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. After thousands of rds of both calibers I can say it is a good powder for full power loads in magnum calibers. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. I did not shoot without the suppressor. GRS. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. It is likely bolt speed and compressed powder moving the bullet forward due to moving faster on an empty mag. 208 Hornady Amax 1047 CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. Definitely worth a try. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. CFE BLK gives higher velocities with the 208 grain and heavier bullets. I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. It may not display this or other websites correctly. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. 1063 The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. I use it for my magnum handgun loads so when I saw it gave good results in 300BO I started using it in that caliber too. The first thing I noticed when I opened a one pound jug was that it looked like they shorted me a half pound of powder. Its not quite that bad, but seemed that way. In order to get a fair trial for powder burn, cleanliness and blow back. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. More shooting will sort that out. Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. - Lowell George. Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. I put .025 compression on the powder. One new winner* is announced every week! maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. and it gave 1,225 fps at 39,700 psi and a ES of 16 fps. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. Add in cast bullets to the mix and you have to start looking at peak pressure matching bullet hardness. Dellet from 300blacktalk.com forum, ?the leading premiere media outlet where you can learn any and everything about the 300 Blackout caliber?shares his thoughts on the new CFEBLK powder released by Hodgdon after many hours of loading and testing. I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. CFE BLK specks, performance and handling are nearly a mirror image of Vit120,, except CFE is a bit . Still at 50 yards, back to the original powder charge of 11.2 grains. Im not going to hunt deer with it. I actually drove to the city (Houston) this weekend and I picked up some powder. I use mostly Hornady heads and I really like this caliber. I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. I use H110 for supers only. 801 fps Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Just received some info back from Callahan Mciver at Hodgdon Powder. 240 SMK For subs, I run Lil Gun with berry's 220 gr in my 8" at 1050 FPS. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Ramshot Enforcer. Lil gun and Win 296/H110 seem to do good for 300gr. 21.98, 21.98 _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); That should do the trick for 44 Mag. If you're unsure, or just want options, check as many boxes as you'd like. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. 208 Amax While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. I debated it but the guy at Hidgon thought Id be fine unless I was trying to push the velocity beyond what I really need in a 7 pistol. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. and eight-pound (8-lb.) N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. It sucks for subs. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. If I had more length he said the difference between the two powders would be more noticeable. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. I've even managed to get Alliant 2400 powder to work with lighter bullets. 1007 fps Rem 7 1/2 VEL. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); "Sometimes - those who dont socialize much arent actually anti-social They just have no tolerance for drama, stupidity, and fake people". I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. I shoot 243 for coyotes and shoot 58gr to 100 gr bullets. by dellet Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm, Post Accuracy in the inches at 50 yards. My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). by alamo5000 Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm, Post Its hard an the ears and eyes. It wasnt the original GI powder, by any means. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. All Rights Reserved. check out the. 881 fps, 18 barrel carbine gas CFE BLK Contemplating reloading 300AAC however I have to ask is it really worth it? Thanks for the responses, I'll stay on the lookout for info, maybe Hodgdon will eventually explain or change if wrong. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. No chronograph readings, I was shooting at night at very short distance. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. 11.5 Grains 2.195 COL. bullets all come in, again, at shorter COAL than Barnes (1.970 and 1.845, respectively, vs. Barnes' 2.250). -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Ill drop the charge weight then. It's also pretty nice when suppressed due to a lack of residue buildup. You can lap the inside of the seater stem so that it matches the exact profile of the bullet. (function() { It's suppose to be a good powder between Lil Gun, win296/H110 and A1680, SWB, CFE BLK. It is going to be in the neighborhood of HS-6, which is too fast for your gun. Be safe. From my research, it seems to be best when nearly filling case, but not compressed, and I get nearly no unburned powder if I use CCI 450 Magnum primers. I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. I only loaded 150 grain Hornady bullets when I was loading for a 16" .300 BO carbine. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. . The 8 barrel pistol gas in a word was uncomfortable to shoot without ear protection. H110 is a rock star for 300 BLK. Hodgdon H322. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs Posted: 9/2/2018 10:02:19 AM EDT Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts your! 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