Communication. 0000016144 00000 n 66-68 Camaro Firebird Saginaw 4 Speed Manual Trans Shifter Linkage Kit 3734531. Units from 1940-54 have enclosed driveline, otherwise known as a "torque tube". HURST 4 SPEED SHIFT ROD #213-5298 FITS 1973-77 CHEVY/CAMERO WITH SAGINAW TRANS. Any machine will, at times, take a great deal of abuse, but like Jason said, whichever you use (and abuse), try it and find out, it will be your loss not ours. You are using an out of date browser. Has no lines on the input shaft so it has 2.84-1st, 2.01-2nd, 1.35-3rd, 1.00-4th. 0000012987 00000 n 5.0. When I fisrt switched from a Muncie to a Saginaw my 1/4 miles times dropped from 14.40's to 13.80's running a basically stock 400,3.23 gears and 28 1/2 in tall slicks. Its no secret that the Saginaw and Borg Warner transmissions were not built to handle the kind of power that a Muncie transmission could withstand. A 2 ring input is a V-6 model and has heavier gears than the Vega unit then the best is the unit with a 3 ring input. Remember, opinions are like a**ho**s, everyone has one. %z}4K(HIrlwT7hn#sLke':9_It 1/,Ba}wosIfUzJa~zs}-5O(V)P($[BSp5Bh)T\hb[CMafqY]R#~GS9g:/].b%:6Vn)%+N9\o L^-W[Ul#kZfzldIs6g[r9Z`Pf2vY8qY Ro" street use. None of those transmissions had grooves on their input gears. The first and most obvious has to do with the size of a cars engine. Transmission Gear Ratio Chart ~ Gear Ratios are listed for many popular transmissions. I dont look for numbers matching pieces for my vehicles. 7 bolt side cover 1970, 454 Chevelle SAGINAW TORQUE TUBE TAILSHAFT, G.M., 81-82 CAMARO/FIREBIRD (456) 7 bolt side cover FORD T & C, FORD/MERCURY (434) 10 bolt top cover MUNCIE M-20/M-21, G.M. We'll work to keep you motivated and informed and with industry news, product information and reviews, event coverage, and well-curated articles and stories intended to inspire and educate. Keep in mind, if you plan to drop one in a vehicle that makes more power than it did when it was stock, you might want to consider going with the Muncie if you plan to beat on it. Electric overdrives were used on some 1966-1969 models. That is RIDICULOUS, Cheryl. The new "super" m-22 supposedly will handle up to about 650 ft lbs of torque, but even then, depending on how you treat it. We need to make note that the early Muncie transmissions offered between 1963 and 1965 utilized a 7/8-inch countershaft in the cluster gear, and those manufactured between 1966 and 1974 used a 1-inch diameter shaft. 4.0 out of 5 stars. $13.99 + $3.75 shipping. # 353961 Sat Dec 29 2007 08:08 PM. sort by: sale. But, those built between 1963 and 1965 will not have any rings around the input shaft. I will be changing it to a 4.10. Snap On vs Daytona, Pittsburgh, ESCO, Husky, More. We share your passion, because our employees are customers too. 0000007591 00000 n . The Saginaw would never hold up under 500 horsepower. My .02 if my opinion is worth that today, for a good all around street car, i'll take an M20 any day of the week. 0 endstream endobj 37 0 obj <> endobj 38 0 obj <>stream Dont Be That Guy, Reversing Gears ~ Rescuing Ones Own Derelict 1967 Pontiac GTO, How To Paint a Lace Roof on the Cheap Using Grandmas Curtains, Engine, Transmission, Chassis Swap Donor Vehicle Look-Up, How To Select Proper Rear-End / Differential Gear Ratio, Popular Automatic Transmission Dimensions, Popular Automatic Transmission Identification Chart, Engine / Transmission / Chassis Donor Search, Project Cars and Part Donor Cars For Sale. Sep 23, 2004 #8 CRAZYREDNECK77 Member Sep 20, 2004 67 La Crescenta , ca, usa Maybe even up to 450, but remember it depends on how you treat it. The Muncie four-speed transmission was heralded by many as anindestructible four speed used by General Motors, and found its way into many different car models, behind various engine combinations between 1963 and 1974. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It is easy to determine whether you have an early or later model Muncie four-speed transmission by the way the transmissions linkage arms are attached. This video takes you step-by-step through the entire rebuilding process, showing you what special tools you'll need, as well as the parts that are typically included in a rebuilding kit. jb~y4BVQ.Hd!$Rw#7p}BL\mB>{i80()p9PG"jH{QjWC40f@r:jr3.VE\zG~'#0fAo )XW endstream endobj 39 0 obj <>stream The Muncies appearance, design, and operation did not change much during the transmissions use in GM production cars. 0 grooves: First 2.84, Second 2.01, Third 1.34, Fourth, 1.00, 1 groove: First 2.54, Second 1.84, Third 1.44, Fourth, 1.00, 1 groove: First 2.54, Second 1.84, Third 1.32, Fourth, 1.00, 2 grooves: First 3.11, Second 2.20, Third 1.47, Fourth, 1.00, 3 grooves: First 3.50, Second 2.46, Third 1.65, Fourth, 1.00. If it starts with an S, you are looking at a three-speed Saginaw. H*w6PH/243110002Q0 Bc=S# XAP43050TH5Pp Not Yet Reviewed. The Muncie utilized seven different input shafts. 0000034731 00000 n Saginaws are classified in 3 different catagories, you cna check to see what you have by looking at the input shaft. The casting number 3857584 tells us that this is a 1966 or 1970 Muncie tailshaft. It does help to have the clutch plate centered about the flywheel and pressure plate. Pretty rare to find an all correct muncie in this day and age. 0000010591 00000 n 0000009631 00000 n It presently has a 6.14 gear in it. See the complete line of products that we offer at www.midwesttrans.com. Come join the discussion about restoration, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! 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In fact this trans has been in the car for over a year with no problems and has handled 4-5000 launches with slicks and a 400 Pontiac engine (over 440 lbs of torque and close to 400 horsepower) Yes I've busted some but wouldn't run anything else except a Borg Warner T-10 or Ford toploader. It usually found its way into trucks and other heavy vehicles where weight was not at a premium. xb``c``pd?X80L0`aQOek_Ze Cast iron case and extension housing with 4-bolt side cover. When properly identifying a Saginaw transmission, the casting numbers are a surefire way to know for certain what youre looking at. Saginaw 4 Speed 1-2 Syncro Assy 2ND Design 67 - 85 No China Junk Genuine O. E. 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The Saginaw 4-speed transmission from General Motors is one of the most popular and widely used transmissions in the racing and rodding industry. Saginaw Four-Speed Type First Gear Second Gear Third Gear Fourth Gear T-5 Five-Speed (Camaro/Firebird) Type First Gear Second Gear Third Gear Fourth Gear Fifth Gear T-56 Six-Speed (Camaro/Firebird) Type First Gear Second Gear Third Gear Fourth Gear Fifth Gear Sixth Gear T-56 Six-Speed (Corvette) Type First Gear Second Gear Third Gear Fourth Gear 0000005690 00000 n 5.0. 0000040673 00000 n Sponsored. BOWLING - SPORTS: ARK LANES (DETROIT, MICHIGAN) -K2. to the bottom of the filler hole on the side of the trans case. Differentiating is easy, as the Muncie has seven bolts holding the side cover, and the Borg-Warner uses nine. And next, the common 2.54 tranny. But in non-performance applications, they were still a good Chevy four-speed transmission. Click to enlarge. Seal Input 100254. What's New; Forum Listing; Products; . So and old Muncie will usually be smooth and a little greasy. The Muncie was made out of Aluminum. If the car has high-performance upgrades that substantially raise the engine's torque output above 300 to 350 lb./ft. The closeness of of the 2-3 shift in a close ratio means most of the time you end up skipping second anyway and shifting 1st, 3rd, 4th on the street. New Guy. Also, there were some input shafts produced by the aftermarket and General Motors that have no identifying rings on them. Two other items I'd like to mention. You can see the shift arms right on the side of the case. I've seen broken TH-400's behind a Cummins 4BT, less than 200 HP. Scot 42hotrod, Jan 19, 2012 SHARE POST #10 mike in tucson likes this. 0000048992 00000 n They appeared in a wide variety of General. Those old Saginaw 4 speeds are not a high performance trans, so don't put one behind a screaming 800 HP engine. 0000020231 00000 n It has 3 rings on the input shaft meaning it has a 3.50 first gear ratio. 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